Comments on Frunobulax 57 (Danny S Recovered Alcoholic): The Secret of Love, Tolerance and Air Conditioning...

Most people I know who have had a spiritual awaken...

2008-09-01T10:33:00.000-04:00

Most people I know who have had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps speak of being "reborn" as well - not so much because the have joined the "Born Again" Christian movement but because of the self realization that it is true. They HAVE been changed. The co-authors also used words like transformation and of course there is the well known "psychic change" that Dr. Silkworth observed.

My experience is that there was a transformation of my nature and substance that happened. I am NOT the person I had become from drinking and this has happened without ANY consideration whatsoever to any doctrine, spiritual/religious philosophies or writing (AA, biblical or otherwise) DJS

Many of us in AA are "reborn". It is even stated ...

2008-09-01T10:07:00.000-04:00

Many of us in AA are "reborn". It is even stated on page 63 of the book Alcoholics Anonymous.

"As we felt new power flow in, as we enjoyed peace of mind, as we discovered we could face life successfully, as we became conscious of His presence, we began to lose our fear of today, tomorrow or the hereafter. We were reborn."(p.63)

This has been my experience in AA. It's also important to note that Bill Wilson credits Jesus Christ with the "Original start" of AA. I heard this in one of his speaker tapes where he elludes to the fact that the start of AA, many of us belive had its beginnings nearly 2000 years ago.

enjoyed the post. in my book club yesterday we we...

2008-09-01T08:04:00.000-04:00

enjoyed the post. in my book club yesterday we were on Chap 5 in 'A New Earth' and it mentioned something to the affect of "any negative emotion that is not DEALT WITH IN THE MOMENT leaves behind a remnant of pain.." A sort of 'debt' i suppose. but i thought good ole step 10 when i read it.. bring it all to the light of awareness. i suppose that is why the authors used words like "at once", discuss them "immediately", "quickly" in the action points. so we deal with it in the moment, in the NOW - leaving no remnants of pain.

many many times i cried and asked jesus to save me...

2008-09-01T04:06:00.000-04:00

many many times i cried and asked jesus to save me so many, and today i do not drink my life is in somewhat order. why would God, Jesues no do this for me? In AA it is like Moses in the wilderness if your there God then let yourself be know to me. Abramham also said this I want to know the one and only true God. There is Jews who do not belive in your words Patrick who would say you fellow the snake satan, they only belive in the Old Test which you do not belive in because Jesues made a new law and Christ say nothing as to this he said I have come to fullfill the Law. So there you are someone is telling you your faith needs to be checked. AA is water down and if you went to a meeting and really put aside your control way of thinking you would see belivers in God not over night magic wand tricks. God lets one grow in His Spirt to form a trust and understanding of His ways. Go ahead and push you religion anyway you want its ok in AA just please keep it in center of perpose. To help one alcoholic helping another alcoholic to stay sober thru the grace and mercy of God of there understanding and not the one Patrick want to shove on others. Go to any church not yours and they will shove their God on you do you like that. LDS, Witness, Catholic, what ever.

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AA - HOUSE OF SATANGod's Sword of Truth - The Word...

2008-08-31T16:40:00.000-04:00

AA - HOUSE OF SATAN

God's Sword of Truth - The Word

Alcoholics Anonymous

By The Holy Spirit's Disciple, Raymond Laginess

"KNOW WE NOT THAT THE UNRIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD?"
. . . BE NOT DECEIVED: . . . NEITHER DRUNKARDS . . .SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD".
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is not of the Lord...it is not Christian, and is, in fact, against the Spirit of Christianity. One cannot be a Christian and belong to AA. AA is of the devil. Its "Twelve Rules" are evil, and (like religious laws or rules) positively saves no one.

AA was co-founded in 1935 by 2 men; Dr. Bob Smith and Bill Wilson, as a fellowship. It has religious and social rules, covering social sin with a philosophy of principles, which were brought to AA from the Oxford Group where it all began.

In China, in 1918, Frank Buchman, a Lutheran minister from Pennsylvania began holding a series of meetings called "house parties", or informal gathering of friends in an attempt to bring about a revival of what he thought to be 1st Century Christianity, therefore His group's first name - "First Century Christian Fellowship". Actually, this was the very first group of Alcoholics Anonymous, better known as the "Christian Fellowship". This group was founded by the rich for the rich and had a Cult (religious) basis, as it still does today under the title of AA.

Frank Buchman, the leader of the group was very involved in the Oxford Group (same as AA), but never claimed any ties to the internationally prestigious Oxford University (New World Order ties). Members of this group felt they had a "patriotic" duty to dedicate their lives to being the bearers of the secret of sanity and all those who oppossed their plans for "world peace" (Oxford Group's world domination) were public enemies, thus, this was considered a "moral crusade".

They began with the "five C's" (methods of help) for those who were too insane to join on their own, and once helped with the 5 C's, they could live sanely, in accordance with these procedures. They also had the "4 absolutes" - Absolute Purity, Absolute Honesty, Absolute Unselfishness and Absolute Love, their yardstick of sanity, something to judge ones actions and thoughts. The five C's: Confidence, Confession, Conviction, Conversion, and Conservation, were the "scientific" method of "changing ones life" , or making the insane sane, presented in an Oxford Group manual called "Soul Surgery."

You can see, according to their methods, that these men were doomed to becoming insane and that alcohol or drugs was a "medicine to illiminate a guilt feeling". And to this "Groups" way of thinking, there is no "born again" chance in life....they told society then and they are telling us now...."once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic"....or "once a drug addict, always a drug addict" or "once"some form or type of "habitual addiction, always an addiction".

True Christianity (knowing Jesus Christ as Saviour) was never a cure to them. What they are saying, through their program, is that the Holy Spirit could never cure them, when in actuality, the alcohol or drugs was never the cause to begin with. In plain words, the CAUSE IS SIN. They used, and still use, their organization as a crutch of Satan....or as a tool of Satan, to control the flesh and the soul.

Alcohol makes you a victim of Satan, but the ONLY CURE IS JESUS CHRIST. It is the Holy Spirit Who helps you overcome the flesh and Satan. . . .and needs NO RULES OR LAWS OR 5 C's OR 4 ABSOLUTES! The tools of the systems of men (even like man's religion) simply place you in bondage, under Satan. In Christ there are no addictions, only forgiveness. To be "free" in Christ ...that is true "freedom" from all addictions of the world. "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." - Gal. 5:1.

You do not have to join a group of bureaucrats in order to be "saved" from anything.....salvation comes through Jesus Christ only! You just need Jesus and His Spirit in your daily life, and if you live Christ every day, then you will overcome all things of the flesh and the world. You could still have a drink and not be an alcoholic. "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." - I Cor. 6:12.

Alcohol is not the sin...man is. Man can be saved, and he already has been, by Jesus Who was crucified on the tree. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." - 2 Cor. 5:17. "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." - 2 Cor 5:21. If you accept this in faith, and live it daily, then you become a Christian, not an Anonymous Alcoholic. Christian is NOT a religion...it's a belief by "faith". Living Christ-like every day of your life is putting on the Spiritual Armour, the Breastplate of righteousness to wear against the battle of the flesh!

"But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us...." - 2 Thess. 5:810

I, PATRICK, AM THE LIVING FOUNDATION STONE OF THE CHURCH.

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want...

2008-08-31T16:38:00.000-04:00

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.(John 8: 44).

I, PATRICK, AM THE HOLY ONE OF GOD.